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Space Digest                Thu,  8 Apr 93       Volume 16 : Issue 437

Today's Topics:
        What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? (2 msgs)
            What Minerals are Cheaper on Mars? than earth?
                 Will the launch be visible from NJ?

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 00:09:02 GMT
From: Steven Malikoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first?
Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if,sci.space

Eric Glover ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (James Thomas Green) writes:
: >Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working
: >and had made it first.  They could have beaten us if either:
: >* Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back,
: >and/or
: >* A Saturn V went boom.
:
: I speculate that:
<a few things>
: +The Shuttle was never proposed and Skylab never built.

Well, the shuttle was proposed back in the early to mid sixties, as the
'Dyna-Soar' project, and even then the concept goes back to WW2 when
Saenger (?sp) sketched out an 'antipodeal bomber'. So, a reuseable space
plane requirement was around long before the shuttle was built.

Steve Malikoff.
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Date: 7 Apr 93 17:47:24 GMT
From: ChaOs <[e-mail]>
Subject: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first?
Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if,sci.space

In article <dxb105.734155421@aries>, [e-mail] (David Bofinger) writes:
> [e-mail] (James Thomas Green) writes:
>
>> [The Soviet Union] could have beaten us if either:
>> * Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back,
>
> Didn't they lose their top rocket scientist in a car crash or
> something?
>
>> I think that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh
>> the value of going to Mars (at least in the short run).
>
> What military value is this? All I can think of is a reduction in
> the cost of building an orbital facility, which might have an SDI
> system on it.

Well, ever read (for example) Robert Heinlein's _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_?
A lunar colony was able to do a frightening amount of damage just by throwing
rocks at earth.  Luna has a lower escape velocity than Earth (no...really?),
and once the rocks are out of lunar gravity they can just fall down to Earth,
whee-splat, and generate a huge amount of kinetic energy.  In the book the
rocks were launched by magnetic catapult, but lots of things could be used,
even chemical rockets.  A simple guidance system, and you have a weapon that
can do about as much damage as a nuke without the nice little side efects that
we all know and love.  ("Aw, gee, no fallout Dad?"  "I'm afraid not, son.")
Not to mention the reduced gravity, and easier acess to 0-G - great potential
for scientific (and hence military) advancement.

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Date: 8 Apr 93 09:40:14
From: "Jonathan P. Gibbons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: What Minerals are Cheaper on Mars? than earth?
Newsgroups: sci.space

I saw a prog where you land an automated space craft on mars.  Its basically a
feul tank.  It then cycles the atmosphere and via some simple chemical reaction
ends up with rocket feul - a tank full after 9 months (not sure of time scale).

Then you send the manned expedition and they pump the feul thats waiting into
their ship and use it to get home.  ie could exploit the atmosphere for rocket
feul greatly reducing payload for any ships = big bucks.

Jonathan
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 06:24:56 GMT
From: Michael Moroney <[e-mail]>
Subject: Will the launch be visible from NJ?
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space

phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) writes:

>The subject says it all.  I'm in central NJ, little southwest of New York
>City.

>Please answer by e-mail, since I probably will not check news before the
>launch.

Well, too late since it's after the launch.  I was able to see it from
Central Mass. as a fast- moving, bright orangish star that appeared from
nowhere, moved 20 degrees, disappeared (boosters off? behind cloud?)
then reappeared again even brighter for another 20 degrees then
disappeared again.

-Mike

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Subject: THE DIVINE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE
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     Although the following article is on the subject of religious studies, it
illustrates some important facts about the Universe:

     (1) The physical universe is ONLY the LOWEST of at least a DOZEN major
levels of existence.

     (2) Certain phenomena which seem to have no physical origin result from
INTERACTIONS between the physical universe and HIGHER LEVELS.

     (3) It is possible for INDIVIDUALS to PERSONALLY explore the Universe,
including our Solar System, using forms of "SOUL TRAVEL".  Some of these forms
are also known as "out-of-body travel" and "Astral projection".  [This is
DANGEROUS without the protection of a Perfect Living Master as described
below.]


                      THE DIVINE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE

               Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
          Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of
          God into the physical world, God Incarnate.

               But there are some very important related facts that
          Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of
          most other world religions.

               First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH-
          STANDING.  There is ALWAYS at least one such perfect living
          Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL
          TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both
          before and after the life of Jesus.

               The followers of some of these Masters founded the
          world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of
          their Master in the process.  Christians, for example, added
          THREATS of "ETERNAL DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the
          teaching of REincarnation.

               Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular
          Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is
          NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively
          few people that He INITIATED while He was still physically
          alive.  (That is simply the way God set things up in the
          Universes.)

               Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and
          pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from
          their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed
          themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly
          MANUFACTURED by the Romans.

               And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING
          indicator for religious validity.

               These things are similarly true for followers of most
          other major world religions, including Islam.

               Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune
          His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND
          CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as
          "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally
          guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they
          are still connected to their living physical bodies by a
          "silver cord".

               True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of
          REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved
          only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE", which is five
          levels or universes above the physical universe, and this
          canNOT be done without the help of a Perfect LIVING Master.

               One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri
          Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the
          "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis,
          (P.O. Box 27300;  zip 55427).

               Another perfect living Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh
          Ji, now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the
          "Sant Mat" organization.

               One of the classic books on this subject is "THE PATH OF
          THE MASTERS" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA
          90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian
          and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India
          studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of
          that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji.

               Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored
          by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in
          most public and university libraries and some book stores, or
          obtained thru inter-library loan.  The book "ECKANKAR--THE
          KEY TO SECRET WORLDS", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER
          classic.

               Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with
          the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a temporary world
          dictator during the so-called "last days".  But the Masters
          don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as
          Jesus was.

               People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or
          other orthodox religions with a physically DEAD Master, will
          CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the
          psychic planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they
          finally WISE UP!



          RE-INCARNATION

               The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery,
          describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation
          as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past
          lives, SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some
          of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives,
          homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi-
          ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel-
          ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read-
          ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS
          FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the
          Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How
          can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED
          BEFORE?!).  [ ALWAYS use the "KING JAMES VERSION".  Later
          versions are PER-VERSIONS! ]  Strong INTERESTS, innate
          TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., typically originate from a
          person's PAST LIVES.  For example, a strong fear of swimming
          in or traveling over water usually results from having
          DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE.  And sometimes a
          person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being
          met for the first time, because of a bad encounter with him
          during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION.

               The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF
          KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.).  People would
          behave much better toward each other if they knew that their
          actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the
          future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION!



          "2nd COMINGS"

               If a Perfect Living Master physically dies ("trans-
          lates") before a particular Initiate of His does, then when
          that Initiate physically dies ("translates"), the Master will
          meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to the
          Soul Plane.  This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a
          2nd Coming.  It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something
          that happens for everyone all at once.  People who are still
          waiting for Jesus' "2nd Coming" are WAITING IN VAIN.



          PLANES OF EXISTENCE

               The physical universe is the LOWEST of AT LEAST a DOZEN
          major levels of existence.  Above the Physical Plane is the
          Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric
          Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane),
          the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes.  The
          Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from
          the Physical).  The planes between (but NOT including) the
          Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes.

               It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological
          influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See
          the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without
          an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between
          the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane.

               The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED.  For example, a
          sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called "Hades", and the
          Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there
          LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some
          kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a
          THREATENING manner.  The Christian "Heaven" is located
          elsewhere on the Astral Plane.  Good Christians will go there
          for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth.



          SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH

               The Christian religion demands of its followers an
          extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more
          than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING).

               If a person is not HEARING some form of the "SOUND
          CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"),
          then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL
          CONTINUE.

               The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for different
          Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on
          the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a
          flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds.  In Eckankar,
          Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as
          a Member.  This and other experiences (such as "SOUL TRAVEL")
          REPLACE blind faith.



               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.


                                           Robert E. McElwaine
                                           2nd Initiate in Eckankar,
                                              (but not an agent thereof)

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